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Post by kris820 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:20 am

It was nice to find this forum.
My Schipperke Jake has been
epileptic for about 3-4 yrs now,
and everything has been going well.
We get blood tests for his liver
count about every 6 months.
His last count was over 1400.
Has anyone else here had these
issues? We have been told to
start "weening" him off PB, and are
gonna try something else.
I have been all over the internet
looking for stuff we can do at home,
to try to eliminate as many toxins
as possible from him.
I was wondering if anyone here has
any suggestions for things that they have
We have already started giving him
filtered water, and have cut out
ALL human food, (not that he gets much)
He had major surgery 2 yrs ago as he
"blew out" both (sp?)"anterior"? ligiments
in his knees. So he is on pain meds, and
anti-inflamatorys as well.
He takes PB, Tramadol, and Osteo-3.
I know you guys ain't med professionals,
we have our vet for that, but i'd just like to
hear some other stories, and what others
have done with thier pets.
Thanks so much for any ideas!
Jake is the second dog i've had with
epilepsy, but the 1st one never had
these problems. He's only 7, and i'd
like to do my best for him, to keep him around
for awhile! :)
Thanks again!

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Post by MK's mom » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:24 am

How long has he been seizure free? there have been a few of us that have tried weaning our pups off of the Pb and bad things happened. Please be VERY careful.

Please let us know how frequent his seizures were before and how long it's been since the last one. Some dogs have seizures secondary to something else going on in their little bodies, but most of the kids on this site have epilepsy and will never be able to come off of the medications.


3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

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Post by skrpio » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:49 pm

Kris - I was one of the unlucky ones that lost my dog due to the vet trying to wean her off after 8 months seizure free. Be careful in what you do. As for looking for alternatives - noone has found any yet. Natural does not work on these dogs. Many (including me) tried the homeopathic way only to find that the seizures increased.
Check out the Epi-angels site for the liver cleansing diet by Dr Jean Dodds. It may or may not work but in any case it is good for them.
Remember if you make things too pure you take the risk of depriving him of minerals he needs. Try giving him boiled water rather than filtered as this cleans out the fluoride, clorine and the other crap the water boards add to it but keeps in the base minerals.
Depending on where you livel (city is no good) use rain water.
When you say that this is the second epi dog you have had - were you in the same place ie could it be something in the enviroment ?
In loving memory of my special KiKi Bean
Seizure free forever now
Nov 25th 2002 - Nov 1st 2006
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Post by Dylans Dad » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:17 pm

Dylan was 11 months free, backed way down to 1/2 a pill aday, vet and I just talked about cutting it out, he had 3 seizures, 6 weeks later he had 10 in three days. he is now back up to his max dose of 2 whole and 1 half a day.
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1st aug 7 2006
last 7-18-08
375 MG kbr twice a day
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Post by High_Voltage_Head » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:34 pm

I've seen quite a few people using milk thistle and/or samE (sam-e ?...not sure what it is) to help with liver problems, but i have no experience with either.

Same old story as with every other treatment.....some say it's great, some say it's dangerous, and the rest say it doesn't do anything at all. Makes for major frustration when searching for answers.
Me: Kurt
Dog: Jackson the 6 y.o. Standard Poodle 55lbs
died March '08

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Post by Melissa and Raven » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:26 am

I can only share my thoughts and not everyone agrees as no two dogs seem to be the same.
First, is your vet going to start weaning him onto something else like Potassium Bromide? This drug is safe for the liver. That is one reason why my vets chose this medicaion instead of pb because Raven already showed low liver values before treatment (probably her teeth but we have a dental scheduled for after Christmas) Ask your vet about Potassium Bromide as a safe alternative to PB rather that weaning him off altogether. Perhaps a mixture of the two meds?
My second suggestion is to make sure you are feeding your dog a kibble without any chemicals in it. No ethoxyquin or BHT or the other one (can't remember off hand) They CAN cause seizures. Home cooked dog stew has been the prefferd choice amongst Epilepsy dogs I've found and is recommended on all 3 Epi sites I keep in my favorites. I hope to one day be at that stage...I need to invest in a freezer first.

Good luck. Hope all goes well. Maybe you'll be one of our success stories.

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