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MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Wed May 02, 2007 10:25 am

I could certainly give him my vet's phone number if he wants it. I don't know if they'll send anything out or not but it wouldn't hurt to ask them.
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

Tux1
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Post by Tux1 » Wed May 02, 2007 1:44 pm

Ok here is a break down of what they did today
Exam recheck which they hadnt been charging us was $35
Pb blood level $89
kbr Blood Level $103
biohazard waste disposal $4
120 of Pb 64.8MG(1 months worth) $33
And he Started Tux on a Thyroid Med due to his Thyroid level being Borderline Low and that is Thyroxin .5mg 2 pills a day at $16.20

Total bill was just a shade under $300
After hearing what yall are telling me I feel like I need to get a new vet.
I was kind of shocked that both kbr and pb level checks would have seperate charges when they only take blood once.
I am going to start calling vets right now and see if I can find one that is a little better in touch with epilepsy.
Tux 4 year old Border Collie (epi)
Alqa 4 y/o sister Border Collie
1st Seizure 02/18/2007
RIP Tux 01.01.10

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Wed May 02, 2007 2:01 pm

The levels checks are done separately and charged separately, but DANG!!! I thought MY vet was ridiculous!!! You're being overcharged for your pills, too. do you live in a ritzy area or something??
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Wed May 02, 2007 2:08 pm

I keep rereading your post and I'm appalled at what the vet is charging you. He's charging you DOUBLE for the tests for what I pay my vet!!! My vet sends them out to a lab, too!!! Geez, Louise...... NO wonder you feel so strapped for vet money. It's a shame that vets will take advantage of someone like that. So many people cannot get veterinary assistance for their animals because of the price of medical care.
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

Finndog
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Post by Finndog » Wed May 02, 2007 2:09 pm

The two test are separate, but these seem high. You could call a couple of other vets and just ask their rate. The med rate is high for sure. I KNOW that Jane will be jumping in on this one, but an in-house thyroid test is worthless and shouldn't be utilized. You can use the university of Michigan if the vet won't cooperate with dr, Dodd and then just send her the test results for analysis, but Jane is correct. Get going and get fighting! This is another reason why we tell everyone to get yourself educated! Also, on the thyroxine, which is the generic Solixine (more expensive), are you sure about the .5mg BID? That's an aggressive amount for a border-line diagnosis. Ask the vet if he used a TSH test for the tyroid. See the links below for help wit understanding thyroid issues. This site also has good info.
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Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Wed May 02, 2007 2:11 pm

Michigan State has the vet school and does the thyroid testing.
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

Finndog
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Post by Finndog » Wed May 02, 2007 2:14 pm

yes, sorry MK is correct. I always mess that up! Either way get it done :)
Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

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Please check these rates and links out!

Post by Finndog » Wed May 02, 2007 2:19 pm

this is a list of prices for testing. I don't know how old this is but it seems pretty accurate

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... ctions.htm

Article on Thyroid along with reasons why a TSH, in-house test is not accurate.

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... Carson.htm
Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

Tux1
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Post by Tux1 » Wed May 02, 2007 2:21 pm

Ok I just called 4 different Vets in my suburb of Orlando and even in to the Poorer section of Orlando(trying to be nice) and I spoke to 3 vets and one Receptionist. 3 of them said that the level tests were pretty close to what they charge because they have to be sent out to a seperate lab here in town. The other one had NO CLUE what i was talking about so I woudnt even risk going there. 2 vets both said that they would follow exactly what my vet is doing and one of them said he has delt with 25-30 epileptic dogs in his 40 years as a vet. He said bring him the medical records and he would recommend me to the Neurologist. His thoughts were that unless Tux is Metabolising his meds very quickly that in the 2 week span that he may have more serious problems. As far as the billing all of these have said that it is right on with what they would charge. I think all of them probably send blood levels to the same lab in orlando.
Oh and our Kbr is $35 for a 300ML bottle. And we have only been able to find one Pharmacy in town that carries it and that is on Park Avenue (like Rodeo Drive) of Orlando.

So now I am thinking I just flat live in the wrong city to have a Epi dog.
Tux 4 year old Border Collie (epi)
Alqa 4 y/o sister Border Collie
1st Seizure 02/18/2007
RIP Tux 01.01.10

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Re: Please check these rates and links out!

Post by Tux1 » Wed May 02, 2007 2:24 pm

Finndog wrote:this is a list of prices for testing. I don't know how old this is but it seems pretty accurate

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... ctions.htm

Article on Thyroid along with reasons why a TSH, in-house test is not accurate.

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... Carson.htm
Ok reading these my vet has told us not to give Tux Pb before his blood work is done because he wants it at its lowest levels. This is completely opposite.
Tux 4 year old Border Collie (epi)
Alqa 4 y/o sister Border Collie
1st Seizure 02/18/2007
RIP Tux 01.01.10

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Wed May 02, 2007 2:26 pm

Did you catch my post with the discount pharmacy's number? Give them a call and see what they'll charge you for what you need. You can always peruse the epilepsy guardian angels site under 'discount pharmacies', call the toll free numbers and get pricing from some other stores.

Orlando seems so high compared to the northern states. With all the senior citizens down there, I'm rather surprised at what they're charging you. Ron's links to Dr. Dodds are good ones. If your vet would be willing to send out the bloodwork to her you would save $, unless they tag on a fee for drawing the blood and mailing it.
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

Finndog
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Post by Finndog » Wed May 02, 2007 2:26 pm

You can order the KBr from any lab/pharmacy that compounds it, so take MK up on her offer and get the KBr compounded and shipped to you. If the bottle is only 300 and not the 480 (?) that is also sounding expensive. The solution ratio should be either 250mg/l or 100mg/l.

I would take that vet up on his offer for the review of the file and referral to a neurologist. I am not sure what he means about the 2 week thing. Don't freak!
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Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Wed May 02, 2007 2:27 pm

I have to argue with my primary vet everytime I take MK in for a blood draw. They want to draw 2 hours after his Pb but no longer than 6 hours. My neuro told me he doesnt' feel that makes much difference at all. If it's a bitch in heat it could make a difference, but not for a male dog.
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

Finndog
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Post by Finndog » Wed May 02, 2007 2:30 pm

the 2 hours but not after 6 is due to wanting it at a high level. The peak is maintained for a longer period of time when given with food, but usually the peak wont extend byond the 6. My vat also feels it doesn't impact the free t4 levels that significantly.
Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

Tux1
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Post by Tux1 » Wed May 02, 2007 2:41 pm

2 weeks was referenceing that Tux has a pattern of siezures every 9-12 days. His worst is 9 his best is 14. this last one lasted 11 the one prior to it was 9 days and before that was 10. we have only once made it to 14 and that was back in Feburary when it first started him on pb.

Yes I got the pharmacy number and I will call them tomorrow when we find out if they are raising his kbr or pb.
thank you guys so much.
I just found another vet that i was on the phone with that the lady said 75% of thier customers are Epi dogs and cats.
She also said that if we bring in the records and it looks like everything they would do then they would refer us to a specialist. I felt the most comfortable with that place so I think i am going to bring Mr. T in to see them on Friday after I can get the new results and records from my Vet.
Tux 4 year old Border Collie (epi)
Alqa 4 y/o sister Border Collie
1st Seizure 02/18/2007
RIP Tux 01.01.10

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