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High_Voltage_Head
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Jackson is Back From the Dead!

Post by High_Voltage_Head » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:15 am

It's been a nightmare few weeks for Jackie Boy here. Never have i seen such a wobbly zombie. I couldn't figure out which drug was causing the problem, and his quality of life was close to nil. The one good thing was that his seizures were under somewhat better control, coming every 7 days instead of every 3-4 days.

Then on Thursday night he had a normal seizure followed an hour later by a really weird one. He was standing next to me and suddenly his eyes rolled back in his head and his whole body started vibrating like a magic fingers bed. No major convulsions or flailing around, just a constant hum/buzz/vibration all over. This went on for 2.5 hours non-stop!

When he finally snapped out of it at 4am he was like a limp noodle with no energy and very sad looking. I decided that this was it....his life is crap....i need to put him out of his misery. So I made a Noon Friday appointment to have him put to sleep. Very sad, very upsetting, very traumatic around here.

So at 11:30 I get him into the car for his last ride and guess what....he perks up because of course he loves riding in the car. I sit there looking at him and start having second thoughts and almost go anyway but then decide to wait just a bit longer. So I canceled the appt with the Grim Reaper.

And then i talked to the neuro and discovered that his Pb level was at 42....very high, and his liver values are also elevated. So I've cut back on the Pb just a little bit and am increasing the KBr again (hopefully no diarrhea probs this time). I decided that it's better to have more seizures than to be a wobbling zombie with a bad liver.

Anyway, yesterday and today he is like a new dog again....very frisky and happy and fun loving. Whenever he walks by i say, "I'm so glad you're still alive! I'm glad we didn't kill you yet!" And he gets all bouncy and goes "Yeah, you're telling me!"

The truth is I'm not sure how long this is going to last, but it seems like every day he has from now on is a wonderful gift because he was THIS CLOSE to never having another day at all. And the other truth is that it probably would have been ok to have put him to sleep because there's no telling how much more suffering is now in his future. But today it all looks good....Welcome back from the dead, Jackson!
Me: Kurt
Dog: Jackson the 6 y.o. Standard Poodle 55lbs
died March '08

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Post by Dylans Dad » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:31 pm

and I was hopeing everyone was good cuz the board was so quiet. sorry you have been haveing a bad time. sure hope the level adjustments work. enjoy every day.
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Post by MK's mom » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:37 pm

Kurt,

That poor boy of yours has had a tough row to hoe!!! He and you both deserve a reprieve and I hope you can get one.

Please, you HAVE to stop making me laugh when I shouldn't be!!!!! :)

Vivian
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Post by Mandypop » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:51 am

Hi Kurt

Poor Jackson (and you) you have really been having a difficult time. Not much advice, but just to say that lets hope that this is a turn-around, and that Jackson will start having a better life.

Good luck
Mandy
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Post by Finndog » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:19 pm

Hopefully all is well today? Let us know what is going on. BTW, what is his weight and what are the doses at?
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Post by High_Voltage_Head » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:33 pm

Thanks all, he's doing great, probably the best i've seen him in a few months! Seizures are more frequent again but he seems much healthier and more energized so it's worth it. Thanks Finn, i've been meaning to add that info to my profile, so now it is done.
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Post by Finndog » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:59 am

gald to hear Kurt, I see the dog is on Keppra, I don't know much about that AED but its encouraging to see new drugs beng used. Since I know nothing about Keppra doses, can you fin dout what ratios to weight your vet uses? I see the KBr dose is very low, I am assuming that's due to the Keppra?
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Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

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Post by High_Voltage_Head » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:16 pm

Finn, the neurologist prescribed the Keppra dosage (1500mg per day) based on Jackson's weight (55lb) and i think it was pretty close to the max dose for that weight. Apparently there's some guesswork involved since there isn't a whole lot of data regarding Keppra and dogs.

The low dose of KBr is not related to the Keppra. Jackson doesn't seem to tolerate KBr very well and there were problems on higher doses. At least I think there were. There've been so many changes to his doses of different drugs that it's hard to know exactly which drug was causing which problem. He was going downhill so fast that i didn't have time to adjust just one drug and wait for results before adjusting another.

He's stable now so I'm going to slowly increase the KBr again and see what happens. His bromide blood level has always been low, around 1.0, so i'm hoping to get that higher without bringing on bad side effects like before.
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Post by Finndog » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:44 am

thanks, I am very interested in learning more about Keppra, so that all helps. Usually each drug has a ratio that is a general guideline, like 5mg per Kg for Pb or 30 mg per kg for KBr. I agree that its hard to track what works, I actually had to go back and put it all down in writing so I could track what doses I had tried. It can be maddening! I am very happy to hear that yo have found a good dose. congrats! It seems a quite a few dogs don't tollerate KBr well, With Finn, he doesn't do well with PB but needs it to provide control. He's on a very low dose, actually in blood levels, he's below theraputic levels but when we tried to take him off, within 2 weeks, he seized. Even on 30mg BID.
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Post by MK's mom » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:35 am

HI Ron,

Same with MK, not 2 days after his final dose of Pb he seized.

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
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Post by Finndog » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:41 pm

Even my vets says, there is no exact science, just general guidelines. Almost trail by error. It's important to keep that in mind when we feel all is lost.
Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

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Post by Dylans Dad » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:44 pm

thats why I haven`t tried dropping Dylans down sence march 7. I`m happy with this holding patteren

1 97milgr split a day.
Wags & Slurps
Debby & Dylan
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375 MG kbr twice a day
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Post by Finndog » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:49 am

yup, your on a good roll as well, dont mess with it if the dog is happy and things are under control. I agree!
Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

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