FINN HITS 6 MONTHS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Finndog
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FINN HITS 6 MONTHS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Finndog » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:54 pm

Yes, 6 months today! A major milestone. Last fall my vet and I had all but given up hope. Thanks to everyone here, my lifeline! Not to diminish anyone's help but special thanks to MK's mom for suggesting the increase to Finn's KBr back last fall. We raised him from 1000mg to 1750mg! Well it did the trick and got him stabilized, then I dropped back slowly to 1500 where he has been. Also to Jane, Sue, Sammysmom,Dylans dad, who just wouldn't let me quit! You were all right!!! Thanks so much to everyones words of encouragement and support. Finn says Woof! If I missed anyone, I truly apologize!
Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

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Post by MK's mom » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:59 pm

WAHOOOOO!!!!! YAY Finn!!!

I am sooo pleased for you Ron!!! And thanks for the props, we never know when we might be able to really help someone. I remember chatting with you about that last fall, you had to show me how to calculate meds and I still can't do it!!!

Here's hoping for an additional 6 months seizure free!!!!

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

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Post by Dylans Dad » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:41 pm

and a bigWHOOHOO! for you both! so very glad finn is doing well.
we just have to take 1 day at a time and make sure we make at least 1 memory a day!
Wags & Slurps
Debby & Dylan
6 yr old Border collie
1st aug 7 2006
last 7-18-08
375 MG kbr twice a day
1 47.5 pb twice a day

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Post by skrpio » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:46 am

Finn and Ron - I am so pleased that you have hit this milestone. Keep all as it is. Here's hoping with everything crossed that Finn continues to do well.
Jane
In loving memory of my special KiKi Bean
Seizure free forever now
Nov 25th 2002 - Nov 1st 2006
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Post by lovemypups » Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:19 pm

Congratulations Ron and Finn. That is such wonderful news and I'm sending many prayers that this great streak will continue for another 6!
Way to go Finn!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Debbie
Angel Casey
05/03/04-10/24/07
and his non epi sister Callie

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Post by High_Voltage_Head » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:50 pm

Ron, i'm curious about the KBr. Can you give some details about how Finn was before you raised the dosage, and how long it took to start working, and if he had a wobbly period and how long that lasted, and any ongoing side effects? Why did you pick 1750mg and why did you drop it back to 1500?

I can't even imagine giving Jackson that much KBr! Is that the highest dose anyone has ever heard of, or am I out of touch? When Jackson got a loading dose it was only 1625mg for 2 days and then lowered to 625mg. It makes me think I should really try experimenting with higher doses of KBr again.
Me: Kurt
Dog: Jackson the 6 y.o. Standard Poodle 55lbs
died March '08

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Post by MK's mom » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:57 pm

Kurt,

I do not know how to calculate the meds or convert mgs into ml's, etc.

MK weighs 71 lbs and he gets 6 mls of KBR bid (250 strength) and 2 gr of PB bid. His seizure free record was 12.5 weeks and Tuesday it will be 13 weeks so far, with the increased dosages.

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

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Post by Mandypop » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:30 am

Fantastic news - long may Finn be seizure free.

Mandy
Poppy - 9 year old whippet/greyhound (20 kg)

First seizure- 17th Oct 2006
Last seizure - 17th Nov 2009

90mg Pb twice daily
320mg KBr daily

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Post by DogsRule » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:20 am

Congratulations.....

And here's to another 6 months!!
I love my babies
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Last Seizure 1/4/07

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Post by Finndog » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:25 am

OK, for all of you with KBr and PB dose calculation questions. If I can understand this, so can you! :) here's how it goes, but first, a disclaimer!

I am not a vet, nor a medical doctor. This information is for demonstration purposes only and should not be construed as advice or actual veterinarian treament or a prescription: Please consult your vet for actual medical treatment! AND NEVER ADJUST MEDS ON YOUR OWN! You could easily kill your own pet!

most doses are a ratio of body weight to the medication.
1 Kilogram (KG)='s 2.2 pounds.
First. take the dogs weight and divide by 2.2 to get the weight in kilograms (kg's)

PB= multiply the Kg's times the Pb factor. I have found than when dogs are on KBr and Pb, 5mg is commonly used as the factor Obviously, PB alone would be higher. This may vary due to your vets experience and each dogs metabolism. Finn weighs 80 pounds, that's about 36 kg. 5 times 36 is 180 split into two doses, that would be 90 mg BID ( or 1.5 Grains). Finn does not tollerate PB well so through trial and error, my vet and I are comfortable with 30mg BID. Each dog is different and you have to work with your vet to find the magic dose; remember, if your dogs metabolism changes, so will the need for adjusting the meds. Please make sure you have blood tests performed at least every 6 months! Keep records of seizures and any other "off" behavior.

KBr= most KBr is prescribed in liquid form. Kbr in liquid form must be created by a pharmacist. It's known as a "compound". The actual medicine is mixed in a with the liquid that will suspend the medicine in concentrations of 100mg per litre or most commonly, 250mg per litre. (mg/l) Obviously, there is more medicine in the 250 than the 100. With KBr you will see vastly varying ratios. Its use with Pb is very effective. Ratios of 20-40 or higher are some times prescribed. If we took a survey here, my bet is that most dogs with good control are near the 30-40mg ratio. Most dogs can do fine with one dose per day, however I have seen BID when KBr is the only drug. The advantge to liquid KBr is that it can be easily adjusted. Squirt it into the dogs food for easiest delivery.

To calculate the KBr dose, use the number of Kg's times the factor. In this example, we are using 40mg/l. Take 36 X 40= 1440. Since the KBr is a 250mg/l concentration, I simply round to 1500 which is 6 mg or cc's (same thing) once a day.

The key to all of this is the blood testing and careful monitoring of your dog's health. This is why we stress getting a knowledgeable vet so often. Many vets going "by the book" may not prescribe KBr or use very low doses. Although I am not a vet, I would rather go a bit higher and then back down, than go lower and then have to catch up. It does take longer to become effective, at least 2 weeks, and up to 6 months to reach the theraputic range. I know with Finn, when he was prescribed too high of a dose (2000 mg when he weigh about 70 pounds!) he became ataxic within 48 hours, but reponded very quickly when the dose was dropped to 1000. It seems to clear out quickly.
Finn, Irish setter
First Seizure 2/2/05
Last Seizure, 10/27/06
Lost my boy on 12/10/08

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Post by suejacksoncarr » Tue May 01, 2007 1:11 am

Well done Ron and Finn.

Ron, keep tight hold of that Finn, he's a real treasure.

Yes, Scholtz was also taking 2000mg of KBR at one stage, but we don't have the liquid here we have capsules.

Sue
Scholtz - German Shepherd
10th June, 2004 to 9th March, 2007

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Post by sammysmom » Tue May 08, 2007 2:54 pm

Ron that is just fantastic!!! You obviously have a heart of gold. You've done so much for Finn and have never given up. I admire your tenacity and drive to do the best for your dog. Finn is one lucky pup!!!

I'm doing my HAPPY 6 MONTHS DANCE as I type!!
(my co-workers are looking at me)

So cheers to you and Finn and onto another 6 months seizure free!!!

Give Finn a big squishy hug for me!!!!!!
Emily
R.I.P Samson
April 10, 2003 ~ July 24, 2006

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