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Need info on boxer

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:46 am
by Tillies_mom
Hi I am really new at this and was wondering if anyone had any advice or encouragement? We adopted a boxer about a month and a half ago. We knew she had seizures. I learned everythnig I could find. My vet put her on !/2 grain of PB 2x daily. Still lots of seizures. We upped that to 1 grain 2x daily. She done ok. Sun. she had a seizure, pretty mild to what they were. By Mon she had 6 more. Back to the Vets. He has started potasium bromide. No effect. She is still at the vets and he says he can find nothing else to do. He is keeping her sedated and says it is time for a decision. Tillie is the greatest pup and I hate to make that decision Any advice? Thanks alot

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:11 pm
by MK's mom
Potassium Bromide (KBr) takes up to 15 weeks to reach therapeutic levels. Your vet needs to give your dog a loading dose!!! If he does not know this, find someone else.

Vivian

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:58 pm
by adajadesmom
Vivian is right! My dog is just now getting the benifits from Potassium Bromide and she wasn't given the loading dose. This has taken aroun 95 days for it to kick in.
Find a vet that has experience with this disease, as it doesn't sound like yours does. (my first vet didn't, doesn't make them bad vets, just some have more experience in some things)

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:16 pm
by skrpio
This is what is called the vets taking the easy way out cause they don't want to admit they do not know enough about the treatment for epilepsy. Boy I am glad doctors don't do that for human epilepsy - no different.

A couple my daughter knows have just lost their 10 day old baby to epilepsy. The medics didn't even get a chance to sort out the meds before the baby went into status. They had to go through an autopsy and nothing was found - no tumors etc..

We only hear about the dogs and forget that it affects humans too.

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:30 pm
by Tillies_mom
He did give her a loading dose. I called again this afternoon and the seizures are still getting worse. I just dont want my baby to suffer. I have cried all week and have hardly eaten or slept. I am fighting with doing what I want and what is right for Tillie.

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:37 pm
by MK's mom
Don't throw in the towel so fast!! Sometimes it takes awhile to get the doses right for each dog. Give it some time.

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:39 pm
by MK's mom
There are other drugs you can try, too. Keppra is one, although it's pricey, Gabapentin is another. Has your vet consulted with a neurologist for their expertise? Cover all your bases before you give up.

It's hard, we all know that and feel for you. It's never easy trying to deal with epilepsy.

Vivian

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:42 pm
by MK's mom
I just thought of something else. Has your vet tried valium or clorazapate to break the clusters? The dog needs SOMETHING to quiet her brain and try to break this or the decision will be out of your hands.

Wish we were closer so we could help you more.

Vivian

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:18 pm
by MK's mom
I was thinking about Tillie's situation when I got home from work. YOu said you've only had her a month and a half, do you think there's a chance that she's still not used to you and your family and she's stressed? That might be causing the frequent seizures, because dogs will sometimes seize when stressed. You said you were aware of her seizure activity when you got her, did the folks that she came from give you an idea of how often she seized before you got her?

Vivian

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:17 pm
by richmauer
My dog seizes for up to a 36 hr period. Peanut has had as many as 10 seizures over a 36 hr period and I wouldn't think of putting her down. I would seek advice from a neurologist. Just a thought, if he hasn't used valium, find another vet, but if he has, maybe icing down Tillie might shock the system and bring her out of the seizure pattern. Just a thought.
Richard

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:31 am
by bajaluna
my sister breeds boxers and she says they are very prone to liver shunts
and epi her email is lfrances35@aol.com if you want to talk to her,she has been breeding boxers for 20 yrs
goodluckxxx

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:47 am
by Tillies_mom
Thanks everyone for the info. Tillie came home last night. She only had one seizure at the vets yesterday. He left in the IV port just in case. I had ice cream and ice packs plus her meds readt and waiting. She went into one and my kids ran for the seizure drill, in the 15 secs it took to get the ice pack my heart stopped. The minute it touched her she stopped. Again an hour later as soon as I had the ice pack she stopped seizing. I am so happy I fopund this site and didnt give up on this amazing dog. Also thanks for support for a stranger

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:25 pm
by skrpio
I think you may need to check your house for something that might be setting off the seizures.
Do you have any strong smelling cleaners, air fresheners, fabric softeners etc being used.
Does Tilly have a place she can go to be alone - like her space and when she is there no-one is allowed to pat her. It seems to me that it might be stress. If she does not have a space to call her own make one up in a corner somewhere with her blanket and some toys and encourage her to vege out there.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:30 pm
by Tillies_mom
I have gotten rid of most of the cleaners that have chemicals. When I am doing laundry or cleaning she goes outside and I open up the windows ( for the dogs and the kids). She has a place to go. All the dogs have quiet places. She is totally well adjusted other than the seizures. She is starting some training as she acts like she has had none at all. She loves to jump and nip. I am using food, toys and positive reinforcement to train her. I dont think it is being set off by anything environmental in the house. I have even taken away the kids body sprays. I think maybe we just needed to get her meds regulated. Right now she has went 18 1/2 hr seizure free. That is the longest she has went without one for the past month. We are just keeping our fingers crossed at this time.