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skrpio
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Post by skrpio » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:47 am

I took my dog to a skin specialist Tuesday and he told me that human shampoos are quite ok for dogs so long as they are not specific formula ie for straightening curls, colour specific etc. "Normal" shampoo and baby and even anti dandruff are ok. He told me he uses Johnsons Baby on his dogs and one of them is Atopic.
Jane
In loving memory of my special KiKi Bean
Seizure free forever now
Nov 25th 2002 - Nov 1st 2006
Dogue De Bordeaux

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:52 am

Claire,

Baby shampoo may not be good for your dog, but baby shampoo will NOT harm a dog. Seizures are triggered in our dogs for many different reasons.

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:37 am

I've been thinking about your dog seizing after a bath. Are you sure it's the shampoo and not the warm water? some dogs will seize if they get too warm, that's why we shouldn't let them exercise too much in the summertime. I know you're not using hot water, but being rinsed all over with warm water might heat him up too much.

just a thought!! :D

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

claires friend
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Post by claires friend » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:33 am

That is interesting that a doctor would say that people shampoo was OK, I nearly killed on of my girls using Head and Shoulders on her! I have thought maybe it was the excitement of the bath that might be causing the problem, but this is a Golden Retriever we are talking about. She loves the water. Spent most of last summer in the lake. I use only luke warm water to bath in. She does get the "zoomies" after a bath, so I will try and keep her calm when I am brave enough to bathe her again. When I got her, she had be kept out in a pen on a horse ranch and boy did she stink.
Susan Marie
Morgan -Foster Golden, now ours FOREVER !!
First seizure Aug 16, 2006 @9 months old ,very low thyroid
She has been with me since the end of July 07
150mg PB BID
.5 soloxine BID
400 Kbr BID

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:02 pm

I've always used people shampoo on my dogs (till I started using Plush Puppy for special occasions) and have never had any of them get sick or die. Lots of show people in Irish Setters use Pantene a lot, so if it was a common thing for dogs to react to human shampoos, we wouldn't be using them. Must be your dogs are sensitive to something in the shampoo or it's something else bothering them and you think it's the shampoo.

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:05 pm

Another thought, have you tried the dry shampoos that are strictly for dogs? I know pet hospitals use those.

V
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

MTM
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Post by MTM » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:43 pm

I have never heard of dry shampoos for dogs? I will have to look into that. I read the back of the dog shampoo I have currently and ended up throwing it away. It seemed there were an awful lot of very large, complicated words for something as simple as shampoo- and it was Hartz brand. I plan on making a trip to the store tonight to read the back of baby shampoo. Hopefully, that will work for me. As I said, Toby has never reacted to baths before but I am not taking chances with ANYTHING!!! ;)
~Marie
Epi:
Murfy -forever free but forever missed <3
Toby -74 lbs, 8.5 yrs old, black lab mix
Meds:
258 mg Phb, .9 mg Thyrosyn and 300 mg Zonisamide BID. Also 575 mg NaBr daily.

MTM
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Post by MTM » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:33 pm

Hello all- I purchased baby shampoo but have not yet tried it. I also ordered a music cd for dogs today. It is classical music that is supposed to be tailored to dogs- "Through a Dog's Ear". I guess for some dogs it can be quite relaxing and I am all for keeping my dogs relaxed ;) I will let you know if they like it.
~Marie
Epi:
Murfy -forever free but forever missed <3
Toby -74 lbs, 8.5 yrs old, black lab mix
Meds:
258 mg Phb, .9 mg Thyrosyn and 300 mg Zonisamide BID. Also 575 mg NaBr daily.

MK's mom
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Post by MK's mom » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:14 pm

That's cool! I didn't know CD's for pups was available. DO let us know how your pup likes it and whether or not it relaxes him.

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
__________________________________
MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

skrpio
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Post by skrpio » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:59 pm

If you were using a Hartz shampoo then it may have been the shampoo. I got a warning about Hartz products not long after I joined this forum as someone then had seizure problems when they used this on their dog. Apparently there are a lot of nasties in the products and they have been known to kill the pet. There is a warning web site on Hartz or there was a while ago and it showed the horrible reactions of the animals that had been bathed in the shampoo. It may have been taken off now. I will try and find it.
In the mean time I would suggest you do not use any of the Hartz products.

back again - here are the sites

www.geocities.com/againsthartz/
www.hartzvictims.org
Jane
In loving memory of my special KiKi Bean
Seizure free forever now
Nov 25th 2002 - Nov 1st 2006
Dogue De Bordeaux

MTM
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Post by MTM » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:16 am

Thank you- I will check out the sites on Hartz products. I threw the shampoo I had. The boys do have quite a few stuffed Hartz toys- any problems with those? Has anyone had problems with dog toys in general? We have no rubber type toys, only stuffed ones and tennis balls.


This is the site on the cd for dogs I ordered: http://www.throughadogsear.com/index.htm

I actually saw a clip on a news show about the research behind the cd and it was really interesting. And, like they said on the news, the only way it is going to hurt my dogs is if I let them eat the cd ;) Worth a shot- I will definately let you all know.
~Marie
Epi:
Murfy -forever free but forever missed <3
Toby -74 lbs, 8.5 yrs old, black lab mix
Meds:
258 mg Phb, .9 mg Thyrosyn and 300 mg Zonisamide BID. Also 575 mg NaBr daily.

skrpio
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Post by skrpio » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:31 am

The tennis balls with the cute painted paws on them are very bad. The paint contains huge amounts of lead way in excess of what is permitted. I would be very cautious of any Hartz product and anything to do with stuff from China. Rawhide, treats and toys that have been painted - which is most of them - they have eyes and smiles on them. Brock used to have these to play with until we were warned by a forum member about them. Apparently some chemist in USA did some test on them and found out just how bad they were.
I give my boy stuff I know is ok. Washed out soft drink bottle with the tops and the safety ring removed. In summer I freeze water in them. I also went to the store and bought rope and tied a big knot in it. The soft toys he gets are bought when on special from childrens stores bargin bins and church stores. Other things to do is sew some hessian up into squares and fill with dacron stuffing and a squeeker. Fill up an old sock with other old socks and tie a knot in the top. Get a kong toy (solid rubber) and fill it with liver paste - keeps them amused for ages. He also gets egg trays
, paper bags and cardboard tubes which get shredded all over the floor but it is easy to clean up. The other thing he loves to play with but I try to discourage is small hand towels. He runs around waving the towel around and then tries to "sweep" up his other toys with it. Unfortunately he cannot distinguish between my good towels and those that have seen better days.
Hope this gives you some ideas.
Jane
In loving memory of my special KiKi Bean
Seizure free forever now
Nov 25th 2002 - Nov 1st 2006
Dogue De Bordeaux

MTM
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Post by MTM » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:22 pm

Hello again! I have another quick question- Toby will be going in on Friday at 12:30 to have his Phb levels checked. They asked me to not feed him breakfast, though. Is this standard practice? Murfy was only on Phb until his NaBr levels were up there so he never had Phb levels checked... I am just curious if the food somehow affects the results or maybe they will be checking his liver again?


PS: I received an email that my "Through a Dog's Ear" CD shipped yesterday but it has not been delivered yet... patiently waiting ;)
~Marie
Epi:
Murfy -forever free but forever missed <3
Toby -74 lbs, 8.5 yrs old, black lab mix
Meds:
258 mg Phb, .9 mg Thyrosyn and 300 mg Zonisamide BID. Also 575 mg NaBr daily.

skrpio
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Post by skrpio » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:35 pm

Never had to not give food but for PB checking they did not want the morning PB given until after the blood was taken. They gave her the meds immediately after.
Jane
In loving memory of my special KiKi Bean
Seizure free forever now
Nov 25th 2002 - Nov 1st 2006
Dogue De Bordeaux

MTM
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Post by MTM » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:04 pm

Does anyone's epi show signs a seizure is coming- like more than a few seconds before it hits? Murfy seems to know, or react to knowing, about 15-20 seconds before it starts and he comes running. With Toby, I have no real clue yet. If your epi does have signs, what do you do? Are there any "tricks" you have found to be helpful in stopping them before they start? We are at 15 days now with Toby and I am trying to be realistic that another one will probably be happening, possibly soon, and tonight it is really making me nervous. I know dogs can feed off of their human's emotions so he is hanging out with my husband in the family room and I am keeping my distance. I really do appreciate everyone's input- I thought I knew about canine seizures dealing with Murfy but my ignorance is painfully apparent when it comes to Toby. I guess it has been kind of a "blue" day. I hope everyone's pups are healthy and resting easy tonight.
~Marie
Epi:
Murfy -forever free but forever missed <3
Toby -74 lbs, 8.5 yrs old, black lab mix
Meds:
258 mg Phb, .9 mg Thyrosyn and 300 mg Zonisamide BID. Also 575 mg NaBr daily.

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