Taurine

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Taurine

Post by MK's mom » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:02 pm

Has anyone tried taurine for pups that are hard to keep under control? There's an article on the canine epilepsy guardian angels site that speaks of this. I'll be chatting with my neuro one day this week and intend to ask him about it.

MK had a 5 month run seizure free and has started up again. He had 2 seizures last night and his levels showed that he's over the recommended KBr levels. HIs Pb is in a good range, but my primary vet is concerned that he's only 3 and has a good long run then breaks thru the meds again. I won't say I'm not scared, because I am. I'm willing to try anything to help my babe.

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

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Post by skrpio » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:41 pm

Sorry to hear that MK has started up again. It's a worry when their levels are already high.
I have heard of the use of taurine before - I think Jean Dodds was talking about it. I never used it.
You could try looking on one of her sites or email her about it.
Jane
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Seizure free forever now
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Post by lovemypups » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:42 pm

Hi Vivian,
I'm really sorry to hear about MK and I know how upsetting it is. On the other epi site I belong to someone mentioned Taurine to me when I had mentioned all the problems Casey was having. I haven't tried it yet and would like to speak to the vet first before I start adding other things to the medications he is already on. 5 months was wonderful though! Our longest time this year has been 59 days and right now I would just be happy to see a month. If you do decide to try it you'll have to let us know how it goes. Please give MK a big hug and I'm sending good thoughts your way that things will calm down with no more problems for a long, long time!
Debbie
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Post by High_Voltage_Head » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:45 am

Vivian, why is the primary vet concerned about MK being only 3 years old and breaking through the meds? I don't understand why age has anything to do with his concern. And i thought it was pretty much expected that all epi dogs will occasionally have seizures, drugs or not. Am i wrong about that? I wonder how many epi dogs go on meds and never have another seizure?

Maybe i'm misunderstanding. Didn't MK have seizures a few weeks ago too? But you said 5 months. Have they gotten worse lately after a dry spell?

Sorry, I know nothing about taurine but am curious to hear about it.
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Post by Dylans Dad » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:33 am

wouldn`t it be wonderfull if they found a one drug stops all?

hugs and positive thoughts for a long count?
Wags & Slurps
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Post by MK's mom » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:39 am

Kurt,

The vet is concerned that MK's brain will learn to breakthru the medications and if we've increased the meds to the max, then what? He's young and her concern is that the breakthrus will become worse and worse before he's an old man.

MK had a 5 month seizure free run and has now had 5 seizures since July 6. His KBR is in the toxic range and I'm waiting for a call back from my neuro to see what happens next.

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
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Post by Mandypop » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:05 am

Hi Vivian

I am so sorry to hear about MK.

I really hope that the taurine will help, and that it do the trick for MK. I would be very interested to learn more info on this.

Good luck.
Mandy
Poppy - 9 year old whippet/greyhound (20 kg)

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Post by Dylans Dad » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:23 pm

sure hope it will help. you really can`t leave MK in that range for long
Wags & Slurps
Debby & Dylan
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Post by High_Voltage_Head » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:31 pm

Oh, i get it. Yeah that does sound worrisome...weird how all those seizures are coming all of a sudden. What are the risks of going beyond max levels on the KBr? My impression is that the risks aren't as dangerous as they are when exceeding max Pb levels (liver damage), but i'm not sure. How about the Pb....is that maxed out too?
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Post by MK's mom » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:29 am

The Pb is not maxed out yet, so we have wiggle room there. The neuro said we can go above the safe levels of KBr if we have to, but the side effects are undesireable. He's also talking Keppra in the future. How is that working for Jackson? I pulled up an old post of yours where you said that Keppra should have a generic form at some point in the States? I don't know if I can afford the extra $300 a month for that drug. I always worried something like that would happen to one of my pets, it's a nightmare for me that I may not be able to afford my animal's needs.

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
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Post by High_Voltage_Head » Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:54 am

Yeah, the Keppra is very expensive, but there are options that I haven't tried yet. I currently pay $262 per month for Keppra from Walgreens, using their W Discount Card which costs $20 per year but saves more than that every month on the cost of drugs.

You can get generic Keppra mail order from Canada for about half the price but I haven't pursued it....somewhat nervous about those internet mail order drug companies but they're probably ok.

Drugs go generic in Canada before they go generic in the U.S., i think it's 5 years vs 7 years or something like that. But i believe generic Keppra will be available in the U.S. within a year or maybe even less. Then I assume it'll cost about $130 per month is my guess.
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taurine

Post by daisy's mom » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:25 am

I have heard of using taurine as well as a B complex. You can also try acupuncture...it helps some dogs. I also looked into gold bead implants with Dr. Durkes.

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Post by High_Voltage_Head » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:46 pm

Hey Vivian, have you tried that Taurine yet? I keep seeing it mentioned and some people have said it really helped their dog. Of course i'm skeptical as usual, but sort of curious too. I was hoping you had experimented with it and could report the results. Is MK still having increased seizures?
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Post by MK's mom » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:03 am

Well, I was going to hold off talking about this so as not to jinx my kid, but since you asked I'll tell you where we are thus far. :)

MK had a 5 month seizure free run early this year and started seizing again on July 6. Between then and Sept. 12 he had about 6 seizures. I started the Taurine on July 11 and so far he hasn't had an episode (except for the one on July 12. One day of Taurine wouldn't have been enough for it to start working). I can't say if it's from the Taurine or if he wouldn't have been seizing anyway, so stay tuned!!!!

Vivian
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
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Post by MK's mom » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:06 am

Also, my neurologist said it won't hurt the dog to give the Taurine, so if you wanted to try it for Jackson you probably could. He said there's nothing documented saying the Taurine works and there's nothing documented saying it DOESN'T work.

MK gets a 500mg pill BID. He weighs 72 lbs.

V
Nathan
3.5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 7/26/2013
Last seizure 3/24/2014
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MK
5 yo Irish Setter boy
First seizure 1/25/06
Last seizure 9/4/2009

Aug 17, 2004- Sept. 22, 2009
May the shamrocks fall softly sweetpea

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